im curious about your m1 for architecture... what software are you using?
Mainly Vectorworks + Cinema4D or Modo. Now more and more Bricscad too.
For Real Time, as there isn't any other available on Mac for now,
I have Twinmotion
(And play with Unreal Engine, but this a monster, in my opinion)
Mainly Vectorworks + Cinema4D or Modo. Now more and more Bricscad too.
For Real Time, as there isn't any other available on Mac for now,
I have Twinmotion
(And play with Unreal Engine, but this a monster, in my opinion)
I Never used Vetor, most Archicad.... I tried Cinema but I preferred to render on Sketchup, that I used most of the time.
What you mean by monster when talking about Unreal? I found very hard to learn....
I think Unreal is a very complex package and the GUI doesn't try to hide that.
The other thing is the M1 chip cannot compete on the GPU stakes with discrete/external GPUs. It's a good integrated GPU, but only about the equivelnt of intels' new integrated ones. It's not going to be a patch on what a decent AMD or Nvidia solution can pull off.
There is also the hard limit of 16GB of shared memory between GPU and CPU.
If you are doing lots of realtime work, it's not going to cut it in the long run.
Hi!
It could be enough if we could load the executable into a iOS or MacOS, just like a videogame!
Thank you!
L.
The other thing is the M1 chip cannot compete on the GPU stakes with discrete/external GPUs.
We should not forget that M1 is just the first ARM Mac iteration from Apple
for its lowest level devices you can imagine.
Nevertheless most owners are deeply impressed what they can do with
these devices. I personally can open and fluidly edit my ugliest largest
crappiest CAD projects ever in Vectorworks on my m1 Mini 16 GB nevertheless.
Similar to my Ryzen 3950X 64GB RX6800 16 GB PC, but with only 40 Watt.
When were you ever able to do that on a Mini or MB Air the last decades.
Yes, obviously no CPU multi-threading render wonder,
Also not for GPU rendering.
And so far we have to believe, if Apple will convert its whole Mac lineup during
the next 2 years, that they have to also offer Mac Pro 2019 performance.
If this is just by a larger SoC like M1x or if they work on any "external GPU, GPU
or Raytracing accelerator cards over a proprietary high speed bus connected
to the base SoC will be interesting, but irrelevant.
I am sure a native Metal version of Enscape could fulfill many users needs
for realtime visualization on low level M1 already.
I am pretty sure it will not take very long until Apple presents the next iteration
for the lower middle class devices like 21" (24" ) iMac, lower MMP with 16"
screens or Mac Mini with again all I/O options.
Even if there is only a 12 core CPU M1x, 4+8 cores vs current 4+4 Cores means
nearly double the CPU performance. 16 vs current 8 GPU cores double the
GPU performance.
If I am happy already with my M1 Mini, I am pretty confident that I would be even
more with that following generation.
The larger 27" (30") iMac may use the next M2 (?) generation may not come
before end of 2021 and the Mac Pro as last somewhere in 2022.
These won't be a bargain though, but there is clearly a future again for Apple
as a 3D platform after that very dry last period that started at least in 2012.
Display MoreWe should not forget that M1 is just the first ARM Mac iteration from Apple
for its lowest level devices you can imagine.
Nevertheless most owners are deeply impressed what they can do with
these devices. I personally can open and fluidly edit my ugliest largest
crappiest CAD projects ever in Vectorworks on my m1 Mini 16 GB nevertheless.
Similar to my Ryzen 3950X 64GB RX6800 16 GB PC, but with only 40 Watt.
When were you ever able to do that on a Mini or MB Air the last decades.
Yes, obviously no CPU multi-threading render wonder,
Also not for GPU rendering.
And so far we have to believe, if Apple will convert its whole Mac lineup during
the next 2 years, that they have to also offer Mac Pro 2019 performance.
If this is just by a larger SoC like M1x or if they work on any "external GPU, GPU
or Raytracing accelerator cards over a proprietary high speed bus connected
to the base SoC will be interesting, but irrelevant.
I am sure a native Metal version of Enscape could fulfill many users needs
for realtime visualization on low level M1 already.
I am pretty sure it will not take very long until Apple presents the next iteration
for the lower middle class devices like 21" (24" ) iMac, lower MMP with 16"
screens or Mac Mini with again all I/O options.
Even if there is only a 12 core CPU M1x, 4+8 cores vs current 4+4 Cores means
nearly double the CPU performance. 16 vs current 8 GPU cores double the
GPU performance.
If I am happy already with my M1 Mini, I am pretty confident that I would be even
more with that following generation.
The larger 27" (30") iMac may use the next M2 (?) generation may not come
before end of 2021 and the Mac Pro as last somewhere in 2022.
These won't be a bargain though, but there is clearly a future again for Apple
as a 3D platform after that very dry last period that started at least in 2012.
Yeah, I expect once we see actual Pro models things will be better here, but as neither Vulkan or RTX are supported by apple themselves, they are limiting what next-generation rendering technology is readily accessible to developers - so I think we will still see MacOS languishing behind what can be done on Windows in regards to the rendering tech compared to what's happening on Windows.
A Macbook Air will certainly make a nice little wireframe only machine for those who only need that.
If you try to see it from the opposite side.
No Vulkan, no.
But I expect a lot of cross platform Apps switching from internally from OpenGL
to Vulkan, supporting Apple by MoltenVK. Blender as an example.
I personally would prefer them truly optimizing for Apples Metal. I know at least
one cross platform CAD App that will do.
I hope same for Memory usage optimizations for Apples shared memory.
No RTX of course, no.
But Apple is developing own frameworks for Raytracing, as they are interested in AR.
AFAIK, interesting is their approach to separate parts of the data in tiles or buckets,
which allows even memory weak devices to render large scenes.
Other than traditional GPU Rendering, where the whole render will fail if the model
does not fit into your VRAM. It will take longer with a weaker device but it will work.
I currently see that most of my 3D things run similar on my 40 Watt M1 Mini 16 GB,
as they do on my Ryzen 3950X, 64 GB, RX6800 16 GB that may eat 500 or 600 Watt.
If a project is no joy on M1, most times it is no joy working on the PC either.
That is impressing to me.
Beside, yes, raw CPU or GPU Render power is a few times faster on the PC.
But modeling and working on 3D files is already nearly the same.
Looks like current M1 Macbook Air is no real rendering device, but at least much more
than a wireframe only 3D device.
we will still see MacOS languishing behind what can be done on Windows in regards to the rendering tech compared to what's happening on Windows.
I expect it a bit different.
I think there will be very powerful and efficient Hardware from Apple and there will be very
optimized and efficient Software for Apple ARM Macs, in the coming years.
I think that there is a reasonable demand and there will be developers working on solutions.
May not be the current dominators like VRAY or similar that don't signal interest.
We will see.
Within a couple of years I agree that we’ll see AppleSilicon suitable for our needs and more importantly api’s from Apple that will enable devs to harness that power.
What bugs me about this thread and others like it is users ‘demanding’ Enscape for MacOS now with out the faintest inkling of what’s involved or even if capable of being done.
I get the desire, I own 2 Mac’s myself but I drive a Windows machine at work.
zoomer as Insightful as yours is and other post in this thread have been in a couple of days there’ll be a “Enscape for Mac” reply followed by a bunch of “+1’s” from users (or usually guests) too dumb to read past comments.
I believe there will be eventually an Enscape for Mac BUT only after Apple have invented the hardware, released the api’s and there’s enough users of said hardware to make it economically viable, until then we just have to put up with the +1 idiots.
I am a +1 idiot too.
All my main 3D Apps are still Intel and far from being optimized for Apple ARM.
Only half of them are at least reasonably compatible with Rosetta.
Nevertheless these results are already stunning. I would never have expected
that when I ordered my M1 Mini.
There will have to come out a second generation of ARM products soon that
has to be faster of course.
If I can do my 3D and Modeling stuff already on my 1st gen low level M1 Mini
already today and my both CAD Apps already announced they are willing to
not only to fix Rosetta issues but want to bring a true optimized Apple ARM
version in the near future, My 3D Apps already do or said to offer at least support.
I will use my consumer-workstation PC less and only for final (mainly CPU)
Rendering though.
I had still reasonably success with Twinmotion on the old Trash Can Mac Pro,
basically similar results with M1 Mini but some new real issues in performance
with new Datasmith exports and stability. TM 2021 now already wiped out
stability issues.
So I have to think that I could easily do my stuff in real time rendering now,
even more reasonably on M1 once Apps are really optimized for ARM and
Apples APIs. And there have to come faster Apple ARM SoCs.
So I am very confident and happy that I can stay, or better come back to,
or with Apple, in the future.
I think +1 idiots like me just show that there currently is some market for
real time rendering on Mac which is only halfway covered by Twinmotion
so development investments could pay off.
Both Twinmotion and Enscape are very appropriate for typical Mac users.
(E.g. vs Unreal Engine)
Maybe software UI/UXs like Lumion too, but I think they aren't interested
If someone like Enscape will take the risk is their decision and that is
totally ok. If finally Mac ARM users have an Enscape solution or will
be covered by the typical Add On CPU or GPU Renderers like Octane,
Redshift, .... (VRAY GPU already stated having no interest), TM or
new solutions may come earlier, we will see.
I don’t regard you or anyone who writes at least a sentence as a reply an idiot, your reply’s have been cohesive arguments. I just get tired of the “E for M” one liners.
I’d love to see Enscape on the Mac and I do believe it’ll happen, just not tomorrow ..... or in the next 5mins that some users expect.
The future M series processors are going to be stunning, I feel safe in saying that based solely on the M1. I hope that Microsoft can get a similar ARM processor/Windows combo as I hate with a passion the Mac version of SketchUp or Trimble bring out a Mac version that doesn’t (in my experience) suck. There’s going to have to be a response from Intel/AMD and between the 3 (or more) we as users can only win.
Sorry if you thought I was being rude to you.
Yes! Enscape on Mac for Sketchup would be AMAZING!
+1 for Mac also!
I don't want to speculate, by go see open positions on enscape jobs page. Looks like there is a light in the end of this long tunnel for all of us.
Sorry if you thought I was being rude to you.
Not at all.
no problem from my side.
At the beginning of M1 I was sure that at least three month later (february)
we would see the next M(?) iteration.
We are already a bit late now. (After waiting for nearly a decade)
And with all Covid, chip shortage and such, I am no more sure if we will see a
really fast iMac and MBPs until the end of this year.
Maybe just announcements at WWDC.
But we may see tomorrow ....
But I stay that Apple ARM is a great architecture and the M1s are already
more capable than anyone could expect. So I am looking forward for any
compatible App that starts optimizing for Apple ARM in the near future.
Until I can get something bigger than my M1 Mini.
Looks like there is a light in the end of this long tunnel for all of us.
Indeed, looks like .... 
Hi!
I'm a Mac user since 1984. Maybe I've been the first user in Rome because at that time, I worked as programmers on Lisa and Apple sent me the very first one Macintosh, an 'American' model that was 60Hz and 110V to check and run the very first native programs on a Mac.
So, you could understand my story over 30 years on a Mac.
But, since Steve goes, our (architect or engineer) destiny as been changed.
Last July I had to buy a Dell workstation to run Vectorworks and Enscape. I felt so sad... but that's the truth!
Anyway, I'd like to have the chance to create the '.exe' for a Mac, more or less as any videogame do, Nvidia or Ati card on board.
I strongly hope to run it on a Mac.
Thank you
L.
Apple April Event happened.
Now it looks like we M1 Mac users may run our M1s a few moths longer than
expected until we get something beefier .... so the M1 Mini will pay off.
If I had had the chance early this year, I think I would have gone for the M1
iMac instead of my M1 Mini.
(My early Apple USB Aluminium keyboard is going tp die soon anyway and
I would have a free monitor)
I strongly hope to run it on a Mac.
Thank you
L.
If I watch Enscapes job opportunities, as picard hinted,
I am pretty confident.
I think we could close that thread now ....
