ENSCAPE 2.5

  • So i have just downloaded the new release candidate (2.5.033) for archicad.


    is there some document outlining what has changed as it appears on the surface not much has.


    After following this forum very closely was expecting a material editor, some way to manage views, ability to create our own enscape objects, among other visual enhancements


    I hope that i am wrong and am just missing some switch to turn things on (god i hope so)

  • Tikos,


    Yes it does seem that Archicad is the poor cousin from enscapes point of view, Sketchup & Revit seem to get all the "new" features and we a left with a "lite" version for archicad. very disappointing and is going to make me look seriously into other options (Twinmotion/Lumion etc)


    I thought that 2.5 was going to be a major update (they have spent enough time on it)

  • I hope so, didnt think of that as its the 2nd of April here today


    As you can see i have had enough of software developers taking my money and not delivering on their promises, Enscape is just one of a number that i am dealing with currently

  • Tikos and Nuge , here is generally the list of features which will be implemented with 2.5:


    - Asset Library improvements:

    • More content in general
    • Download from Web to reduce installer size
    • Level of Detail

    - Improved lighting performance


    - Video editor improvements

    • Smoother path
    • General improvements in usability

    - Rhino material editor


    And everything which is listed in the preview thread as mentioned before.


    Our goal will always be to achieve feature parity in the long run, but since ArchiCAD is our newest integration, it is currently not as "complete" when it comes to some functionalities. Still, that has always been temporarily the case, for example SketchUp, in it's earlier stages, didn't have a dedicated material editor either, but you can be assured that any major features (as far as it is technically possible) will always be available in any supported CAD solution eventually.


    Further, with 2.5 it was our goal to focus on existing features and improve them further, and of course, make Enscape as stable as possible. Major, completely new features will of course come in the future, but achieving the points above was our priority in this case.


    thinhpham , could you kindly elaborate on that a bit further? Which effect do you mean and if you like, you can of course also send a comparison screenshot to detail your feedback further. :)

  • Demian,


    Wow, i could bet my life savings that everyone that has been watching and waiting for V2.5 has been expecting a major new feature release not a bug fix which is what you are saying, i don't have time now but i bet i could troll through this forum and find numerous posts from enscape staffers that have been indicating "wait for the next release it will be amazing" and you specifically told us that the work generating the new content would not interfere with the development of the program (clearly not).


    If your argument is valid regarding the newest integration lagging behind then why does Rhino now have a material editor, when Archicad was released before Rhino by some time from memory


    Quote

    SIMON WEINBERGER (24th August 2018)


    At the moment we try to release every 3-4 month, meaning version 2.4 should be released in September/October. Then we'll decide what to do next. If we schedule this topic for the 2.5 version, this means a release in Q1 2019, probably a preview in late 2018. I don't want to make any promises. Besides better material support for ArchiCAD there are a few topics on our agenda, that are highly requested, just take a look at the Trello board. You should know, that we are aiming for feature parity between all plugins, and that is a strong argument for providing better materials in Rhino and ArchiCAD


    So was Simon just telling me what i wanted to hear to keep me quite (which i have while waiting for V2.5) ?


    So is a material editor scheduled for the next release YES or NO (all of your paying Archicad users deserve an accurate answer)


    PS i think you will find what thinhpham is meaning is that because sketchup has all of the "new features" (and archicad does not) the renders look better


    Annoyed (again)

  • Demian Gutberlet I will make the comparision later when I have time. But Nuge got what I mean. Somehow in Archicad the material is not completely compatible with Enscape therefore the result is less effective than Sketchup. It is still much easier in Sketchup than Archicad. This is what I am experience now.

  • Honestly, I have similar feelings as my colleagues above. If I am not going to be the promised material editor in version 2.5 I will be disappointed. I am patiently paying for a subscription in anticipation of development... and here is such a nasty surprise.

    Since we can not take full advantage of the software's capabilities, a cheaper version of Enscape LT should be released.

  • Hi Nuge,


    I appreciate your feedback and understand your disappointment. Let me give you some insights into our development process.


    Version 2.4 was released in October 2018, just like it was planned. Now we are releasing 2.5, containing lots of smaller improvements for all CADs, as well as the material editor for Rhino. We believe that this release brings a lot of value to all our users, even though the material editor in ArchiCAD is still missing.

    Why does the Rhino plugin have the material editor? Because we had to start with one CAD - and the Rhino plugin was released in November 2017 while the ArchiCAD plugin was released only 7 months later.

    We actually did plan to include the material editor for ArchiCAD in the 2.5 release as well, but priorities change over time (some other features become very important suddenly).

    In the end, we were confronted with the decision to either remove the ArchiCAD material editor from the 2.5 release or delay the 2.5 release even longer. We decided to deliver the bugfixes and improvements to you as soon as possible.

    Sorry if my words have been unclear to you in the past. It is scheduled for 2.6. We have planned a scope of features for 2.6 which does include the asset editor for ArchiCAD. However, being scheduled is not the same as being done. I can't promise you when the material editor will be integrated, but we're trying our best to make it happen.


    Simon

  • Anyway, it is not totally dissapointed for all of us if we know that Enscape team is working on it. But we hope that Enscape team should consider equally improving Enscape for all platforms in the future. Although each platform has its own way of working. It would be the best.

    For me, it doesn't matter about Material Editor for Archicad instead it is about the integration/compatibility between Archicad and Enscape should be good as Sketchup or Revit has.

    Thank for your team effort and hope that it is gonna be there soon.

  • Anyway, it is not totally dissapointed for all of us if we know that Enscape team is working on it. But we hope that Enscape team should consider equally improving Enscape for all platforms in the future. Although each platform has its own way of working. It would be the best.

    For me, it doesn't matter about Material Editor for Archicad instead it is about the integration/compatibility between Archicad and Enscape should be good as Sketchup or Revit has.

    Thank for your team effort and hope that it is gonna be there soon.

    I totally agree, this is the wider issue that you have different development cycles for your different plugins, your priority should be to get all of them to the same level before introducing any new features. as i have said before Archicad users are paying the same price as sketchup for a "not as complete" version. you have taken our money now deliver on your promises

  • Guys, I understand that you might not have the material editor ready for ArchiCAD just yet but why are we paying the same price for a product that clearly doesn't function equally with other versions?


    As Damian Gutberlet said "but since ArchiCAD is our newest integration, it is currently not as "complete" when it comes to some functionalities"

  • Guys, I understand that you might not have the material editor ready for ArchiCAD just yet but why are we paying the same price for a product that clearly doesn't function equally with other versions?


    As Damian Gutberlet said "but since ArchiCAD is our newest integration, it is currently not as "complete" when it comes to some functionalities"

    To be fair, the same has held true for all the software implementations since Revit. Sketchup didn't have a material editor for the first several months when it was released, yet we paid the same then. Rhino didn't have a material editor for the first several months when it was released - yet we paid the same then. If fairness is what you're looking for, we've all gone through the same thing (or looking at it another way, we've all been treated equally unfairly 8o ). I understand it's frustrating, but they can only move so fast. And the truth is we're all paying for the same thing. This isn't V-ray with dedicated plugins for every piece of software. We all get access to Revit, we all get access to Sketchup - the fact that we choose to use one software over another is our choice, but Enscape is still a holistic package offered to everyone the same.