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  • Hi again :)

    We use standard models and fixed standard scenes to successively and over a long period of time document different material and colour moods with the same render scene. All these already created renders and all the future ones flow into the same InDesign layout file for our further use...

    This (almost industrially) standardized process must always deliver the identical rendered scene - Within Enscape unfortunately we fail at this so simple and elsewhere usual task. We fail to reproduce an absolutely identical render. Even I alone already fail in this task, because my working environment is constantly changing as shown in the picture below, although it's always the same scene.

    Which setting has to be made in the capture window so that we finally succeed? Please keep in mind that this must succeed across many different workstations.

    Obviously we do not recognize the trick 8o:) - so I kinly ask not to refer me to any info page somewhere but to show me the necessary clicks in the Enscape capture window as a screenshot instead - Capture settings for dummies ;)

  • The SU working canvas size changes as you roll dockers in and out (eg. "Layers") and change the size/position of the toolbars. Enscape's window/capture size is based on a custom resolution or based on the viewport aspect ratio: if you change the aspect ratio in SU (by changing the canvas size, by rolling dockers in/out) then it won't match up.

    Either un-pin the dockers and float them so that the canvas space remains constant, or set a camera position and resolution within Enscape, then change the outlines/materials to generate the multiple images from exactly the same position with exactly the same viewpoint.

    (Across multiple machines, the only way to generate identical images is the last one - specific camera position and specific resolution with exactly the same FOV settings.)

  • Thank you Gadget :thumbup: - with "un-pin the dockers" you speak about the trays I think? This I have tried unsuccessfully and shown here. Just as we fail because of the countless variations of the iconbars - both in their size and number, which all change the canvas´s sice as well ;)

    You write "or set a camera position and resolution within Enscape" - how is this done (I really have no idea since we stubbornly refer to the SkUp scenes only so far) and would this be an option that could also be transferred to other workstations?

  • Sorry - language from another program: yes "trays".

    The scene position is stored as an x,y,z coordinate where you are standing and another x,y,z of where your camera is looking. This is independent of screen size, resolution, trays, toolbars, etc. It cannot change other than by updating the "camera position" within SU.

    However both SU and Enscape have Field of view settings that will distort the image generated - and this does depend on the canvas size. So even if you have everything set up exactly the same, both programs calculate the FOV differently and you can end up with images that don't overlap properly.

    If you want images to overlap perfectly then you have to generate them all from within the same program (Enscape): you have to make sure the following are identical on each instance of Enscape and no matter which machine is running, the output should line up perfectly:

    - model

    - scene (with same camera position)

    - capture resolution

    - camera Field Of View (This may be tricky since it's a slider and the numbers shown have a 10 step bracket that displays the same angle)

  • thanks again :thumbup: so I understand you correctly: I can fix a camera within Enscape (this i've already played with and noticed of course that immediately appears a corresponding scene within SkUp) - which capture settings are to choose then to achieve the necessary desired results over various workstations? - or is this approach also limited to my own current randomly working environment setup?
    I will check this as soon as possible

    ;) I need and would like so much to integrate Enscape into our workflow processes and can not overcome this barrier. These "failures" at such banal things we have never experienced elsewhere so far and to be honest, not expected too... and I hope the cool people of Enscape :thumbup::)realize that this is a Prio1 issue.

  • When you use Enscape to "Create View" (Camera button), it will create a scene within SU - this can be seen in the scenes tray. Personally I then tic everything except the camera location off.

    You can then add these scenes to a favorites list with the "Manage Views" button (with a star, beside the camera button). This will put the camera location on a tab to the right of the Enscape window - clicking on it will take you to that view.

    These locations and favorite views are saved with the file; anyone opening it and running Enscape will be able to fly to these locations by clicking in the Enscape window.

    However each version of Enscape needs to be configured so that the Resolution is identical (from within the General settings dialogue). And the camera Field of view has to be manually set for each view (from the Rendering tab of Visual Settings). I would recommend taking a note of this setting within the Description field of the scene (in SU) so that anyone can reproduce the same image.

    Unfortunately every other variable within the Visual Settings dialogue can change the final look of a rendered image; you might be able to generate images that would trace over each other, but one would be day and another night or one would be white mode with lines and another fully rendered.... Until these are saved with the scene there are too many variables to guarantee an exact reproduction of the same image between machines. (But why would you want to? Just send the image.)