2.7.0-preview.2+16182 - Linking Visual Settings to CAD Views

  • I have had a go at trying to use this new feature - Linking visual settings to CAD views.

    It either doesn't work or I am missing a trick.


    Here's what I did to test it:

    I created a new SU model (SU Pro 2018), drew a box, and created 2 scenes from different angles.

    I then unticked the auto exposure setting so that it's set at 50% and saved a visual setting preset to the project from scene 1.

    I named that visual setting "Vis setting 1" and then went to manage views and clicked on the chain icon and assigned "Vis setting 1" to scene 1

    I then switched to scene 2, made a couple of changes to the visual settings, in this case, changed horizon to "white cubes" and exposure to 14% then saved another visual setting preset to the project called "Vis setting 2". I then repeated the linking as above assigning Vis setting 2 to scene 2.


    So at this point I tried toggling between the 2 scenes in SU assuming that the Vis settings would update in Enscape viewer.

    Unfortunately they do not. When I switch back to scene 1 the setting I created for scene 2 is still active.


    Also on top of all this, the preset button is incredibly glitchy and is only useable if I minimize (hide) the Enscape window


    What, if anything, have I done wrong? Would you please explain how to use this functionality.

    Or even better, create a basic demo video to show it.

  • Hi foggo ,


    You've done everything correctly, as far as I can see. Linking the Visual Settings to Scenes or Views will use the selected settings preset during batch rendering.

    To batch render, click the Render button and then select the desired scenes.

    This should apply the selected settings presets correctly to the generated images.


    Please let me know in case that's not how it behaves for you! Also, can you elaborate what you mean by the button being glitchy/you having to minimize the Enscape window? I couldn't recreate that. Thank you in advance!

  • Kaj

    I have created a video of my desktop to demonstrate the problems.

    I've uploaded it to Wetransfer (hope this is okay) see link


    https://we.tl/t-wmaDx3qnNT


    You'll see that when the Enscape viewer is showing I can not use the Visual setting presets or the Manage Views function for that matter. I have to minimise Enscape.

    The main issue for me, Visual settings applied to scene, you'll see clearly does not work for me. The only difference between the 2 settings is the exposure change from 68% to 73%.

    I've tried it on 3 different models now and I think I did it correctly.

    Thoughts?

  • I can't put this to the test. as the batch rendering didn't work for me either.

    I selected all CAD views (in this case 2 views) and the progress bar goes straight to 50% and stays there and after about 20 seconds the Enscape window closes and no renderings are produced.

    Anyway, the settings don't update when I switch views which is fundamental to be able to use it properly.

    Is it just me that is experiencing these issues? Does it actually work for you?

  • Hey foggo and Gadget ,


    Foggo, I see. Thank you for sharing the video with us. Your perception of the settings management tool being glitchy comes from the Enscape window now staying on top all times. (This is meant to allow you an easier adjustment of settings without having to switch between windows all the time.)

    Instead of minimizing the Enscape window, you could also move the settings window to the right. But I'll make sure to share your insight with product management!


    On the other hand, what Gadget mentioned is correct:


    So does it only change the settings when rendering the views rather than when actually viewing them?

    The linked settings will currently only have effect when batch rendering, not during real-time walk through. Any feedback on this is of course welcome!

  • Is there is a technical reason why the linked settings only have effect when batch rendering?


    I would really like to see my scene and it's visual settings update when I toggle between them. Seems like a basic function of linking a preset with a view to me, unless of course there is a major technical issue preventing this?

    It's no different than setting the time of day/shadows for each view which updates in Enscape when switching scenes.


    I mostly work on interiors and almost always need to tweak the exposure settings or artificial light strength from one view to the next. The reason being that I use different times of the day for different views to get the best looking render.

    The lobby in the video for example has about 12 views and I found I needed 8 different visual settings to get the renders looking the way I want.


    But as I mentioned in my previous post, batch rendering isn't working for me so none of this matters if I can't produce a render.


    As far as the glitchy settings box, it is simply unusable. I use 2 screens, and frankly I'd be amazed if there's anyone using SU and Enscape with one screen.

    I have to minimise Enscape even if it is on the other screen to use the settings!

    I only put both windows on one screen to make the desktop video I posted.

    Please leave it the way it was or make it a preference setting?

  • The linked settings will currently only have effect when batch rendering, not during real-time walk through. Any feedback on this is of course welcome!

    Feedback: Why?!


    I can't actually test the latest preview and come back with more constructive feedback until the space-mouse issue is resolved, but it does not seem well thought-out: how can you run-through and check what the settings look like before you hit 'render' ?

  • Yes, please fix the presets so they are easy to access and easy to apply!! If you can't use them for batch render, what's the point of adding it per scene? YOu're only half-way done..

    It's the other way around - You can use the linked settings presets for batch renders only at this point.


    We have included this feature in the current form so we could open it up to the public in Enscape 2.7, already. Any other additions would have delayed it beyond the release of the next Enscape version.

    Whether the linked settings will be applied in real-time as well will be decided at a later point. This said, we're very grateful for all your feedback!

  • Sorry to keep banging on about this Kaj, but this is really baffling to me.

    I find it hard to believe that anyone requested a feature to have visual setting pre-sets for batch renderings only.

    Surely people who requested having vis settings linked to views did so to be able to view them on their screen?


    You (Enscape that is) market your product as being a "real time rendering" solution.

    If you don't include applying the linked settings to views in real time then it is no longer a "real time rendering" program. So again, unless there is some technical limitation, why wouldn't you include it?


    Just to clarify my earlier post with regards to the glitchy presets and manage views buttons, they simply don't work for me if the Enscape window is visible anywhere on my desktop, irregardless of where the settings box is located.

    It's the other way around - You can use the linked settings presets for batch renders only at this point.


    We have included this feature in the current form so we could open it up to the public in Enscape 2.7, already. Any other additions would have delayed it beyond the release of the next Enscape version.

    Whether the linked settings will be applied in real-time as well will be decided at a later point. This said, we're very grateful for all your feedback!

  • Foggo, I really appreciate your participation on this!

    I would still say Enscape is a real-time rendering program, even without having settings presets being selected per view when selected automatically.

    (Real-time rendering stands for rendering a scene at least 24 times a second and being able to navigate it and perform changes on the fly)


    I understand your dissatisfaction with settings presets not being applied automatically to views at this time, but there was no way at all to change settings for batch renderings before, so we've seen this as a first necessity.

    Just to clarify my earlier post with regards to the glitchy presets and manage views buttons, they simply don't work for me if the Enscape window is visible anywhere on my desktop, irregardless of where the settings box is located.

    I'm confused - in the video you've shared, at 02:37 we can clearly see you switching from preset "Vis 01" to preset "Vis 07" and the changes being applied in the settings, although the Enscape window is not minimized and visible? It's just selecting the predefined views that does not affect the current settings, selecting settings presets seems to work?

  • The linked settings will currently only have effect when batch rendering, not during real-time walk through. Any feedback on this is of course welcome!


    It would be great if the linked settings were loaded every time you activated the view:


    - using the sidepanel with the favorite views inside the enscape rendering window

    - using the dropdown in the ribbon to set the active view


    It would even be nice if this was included in the standalone (but less critical).


    Also, the previous behavior (pre 2.6) with having the settings available as a dropdown on top of the settings window was easier to use. Now it's a bit too buried (and too many clicks/sub windows). All setting management should be possible using the dropdown at the top in combination with a few handy buttons like rename, save, create new, export, load etc.


    That menu with the settings should also clearly indicate whether the current setting is linked to the active view or not.

  • Sorry to keep banging on about this Kaj, but this is really baffling to me.

    I find it hard to believe that anyone requested a feature to have visual setting pre-sets for batch renderings only.

    Surely people who requested having vis settings linked to views did so to be able to view them on their screen?

    There's technical limitations, then there's what users actually want. Please don't implement technical solutions that then put hurdles in the previous workflow. It's been really disappointing how convoluted the settings management has gotten. Like foggo I just want a simple pull-down to change settings, and for settings to be "sticky" per scene. Batch and other stuff should be secondary aspects of the workflow, imo.

  • It's been really disappointing how convoluted the settings management has gotten. Like foggo I just want a simple pull-down to change settings, and for settings to be "sticky" per scene. Batch and other stuff should be secondary aspects of the workflow, imo.


    I have to agree with this sentiment.


    The coding aspect of this might be ingenious, but the UX has gotten real convoluted. My users are architects/designers (not professional visualizers). The settings refactoring made it harder for them to use, not easier.

  • Kaj,


    I have made a new desktop recording to show the glitch again. See WeTransfer link below.


    https://we.tl/t-0I1vq4zVdH


    You'll see that with both SU and Enscape visible I can open the Visual Settings (note the Visual Settings box is above the SU window) but when I click on "Presets" it pops up for a split second and disappears, I do it a number of times. I then minimise Enscape and click "Presets" again and I'm able to load a preset.

    In the second half of the video I get the same behavior with the "Manage Views" button. I click and it pops up but when I mouse over to the right it disappears before I can click the chain icon. When I minimise Enscape though, I'm able to click on the Chain link icon and link the view to a preset.

    As previously noted I've only put the two windows onto one screen to make this recording. I always have SU on one screen and Enscape on the other but I still get the same issues I've described above.


    Now with regards to the first video, you are right! On occasion it does actually work with Enscape visible. I was able to recreate that again by switching between the SU scenes 2 or 3 times. You can see that was what I did at 2:10 in the first video. It's not a solution in my opinion as it doesn't work every time.

    Random:/

  • Well at least you guys have something it complain about, Archicad users once again left out in the cold as this feature not included in our plugin, and no discussion if it ever will be. Come on Enscape at least come clean and explain yourselves regarding the Archicad plugin development


    This thread does highlight that clearly the development team DO NOT USE ENSCAPE on a daily basis to produce renderings otherwise these types of ridiculous methods/workflows would not make it past the first hurdle. No one in their right mind would ever dream up a workflow like this and it needs to be changed so that we can see any changes per view in the live viewer, I just can understand how you guys feel this is even an option