Posts by Willsud

Quote from kyokoo

... Kind of scary when Willsud stops posting, nothing seems to stop him from trying to get things resolved....

That made me chuckle, thanks kyokoo

Just to mention that in hours of experimentation I have found a problem with the Spacemouse enterprise hardware. When connected it was 'drifting' very slightly and seemed to be generating a stream of spurious keypresses.

After unconnecting, uninstalling and reconnecting all my devices it seemed to be the Spacemouse hardware that was at fault. Removing it and connecting an old wireless portable Spacemouse works much better - at least in Twinmotion linked to Revit which I am now using instead of Enscape for client presentations but thought to mention it as it might be of interest (the portable wireless Spacemouse doesn't seem to work in Revit 2023 at all but I don't use it for Revit). The old Spacemouse has a much more delicate feel, although the rubber seems to have gone a bit 'sticky' 🙂

I put it into camera mode and checked the lock horizon option.

The horizon did not lock.

The controls were also too sensitive it seemed to me - at the default 50% speed position on the slider - than in the previous version.

I agree with RandalRDesign,

unfortunately 3.5.0-preview. 15 + 101609 is a backward step. The horizon does not lock and the controls are all reversed (which a long time ago was the default but recently I have not had to check the boxes to reverse the controls)

Reinstalling preview. 14 and everything seems OK again.

Many thanks Demian,

I will install the latest update today and report back anything unusual.

Apologies Demian, I haven't got round to screenshooting my experience however today I uninstalled Enscape and 3D Connexion drivers and installed the latest 3D Connexions drivers - version 10.8.12_r3545 - and latest preview version of Enscape - 3.5.0-preview.14 +99672

This shows a big improvement with Enscape linked out of Revit 2023.1.1

I had previously set the 3D connexions driver to 'camera mode' and 'lock horizon' but the horizon did not lock - now in this latest version it does, and is acceptable at long last for client presentations.

I don't use other features in Enscape, just in client presentations in real time.

cheers,

William

Thanks Demian,

It is a very long time since I used PrtSc on a PC Thanks for the reminder!

OK, I will try to get on to it tomorrow.

Quote from Demian Gutberlet

I am very sorry to hear that of course - Is there perhaps also a chance for you to share a screenshot of your SpaceMouse driver settings with us and generally perhaps a short video in which we can see this behavior? Just so we can make sure this isn't just a localized issue when comparing it to our in-house results.

I'd really appreciate the effort.

Thanks Demian,

I will see what I can do in the next few days. A problem in taking screenshots is that as soon as I start the Snip utility the 3D Connexions Driver properties in Enscape switches to Snip settings not Enscape

After a complete uninstall and reinstall of everything I seem to have the Spacemouse (driver 10.8.11.3519) and Enscape (3.5 preview 11 +95987) working to at least make it usable for client walk rounds if not very smooth in left/right horizontal rotation. This is with 'camera mode' selected, 'lock horizon' enabled but the key to making it work is under the Speed tab in the driver 'Advanced' settings to deselect left/right roll. (Also reduce the top level Speed slider in the top level of the driver properties).

Now the camera remains mostly level but if it starts to drift from horizontal a little I press the 'F' function key on the Spacemouse to force an Elevation view.

Many thanks for the detailed reply Demian however this isn't what I am seeing at the moment. The Spacemouse seems to have a life of its own and this behaviour is the same in the latest version of 3.4 and I have tried the pre-production version of 3.5. Horizontal Lock just doesn't work - it used to but stopped working some months ago.

I'm going to uninstall and reinstall everything one last time and then it's cheerio Enscape.

That is useful to know - that it still doesn't work properly in 3.5 - many thanks. For client presentations in Revit 2023.1, the bundled TwinMotion is now looking the best option for wandering round the building model using the Spacemouse.

I am sure the programmers are working hard but you get the feeling that this isn't a priority for the people in charge. It is 14 months I think since we started complaining about this.

I sympathise with everyone who cannot choose their software in these situations.

Good morning Demian,

Many thanks, that is good to know.

I also noticed that TwinMotion which is bundled with the latest update to Revit 2023 works flawlessly - so far - with the Spacemouse.

That's a good idea - combining the mouse - must try that, thanks.

I sympathise - it was very awkward doing presentations last year. I have my small office set up for clients to come in and walk them through the building but Enscape became unusable without the Spacemouse for this and I reverted to Lumion but it's not its strength.

Strange that what you describe is not what I am seeing with the same software versions.

I can't say I've noticed an automatic variable speed.

I do find that setting the Rendering quality slider to medium helps being able to see inside the building and reduces twitchiness of the controller. Ultra makes things very dark and twitchy I notice when just trying it out.

I've got a pair of RTX 2080Ti cards in my PC if that makes any difference.

By the way, I cannot use the Spacemouse in Revit 2023 - it used to work but is very unstable now.

One thing I did try which worked was the 'Calibrate' button while in Revit which did improve stability but not enough to make it usable.

If you haven't already it might be worth trying Calibrate while in Enscape?

Best of luck with it.

My impression, which may be false, is that the programmers have had to rewrite the drivers completely and it has proved difficult for some reason to regain the same functionality that previously existed.

Even if not true I find thinking this makes it easier to accept the rubbish performance we've had to put up with for most of a year.

I had - quite literally - thrown my Spacemouse in the bin, but retrieved it for one last go with the latest 3DConnexion drivers and Enscape version. Somehow this worked with the horizon locked, in Camera Mode.

Weirdly I used to have to reverse all the speed settings but now I don't.

In Enscape movement of the Spacemouse was still over-sensitive but turning down the Speed slider quietened down the twitchy movement and suddenly it became usable. I daren't alter anything but for now I can use it - this is Revit 2023 into Enscape 3.4 with the 10.8.8 Spacemouse driver.

Best of luck with it.

Apart from WalkMode not working the latest Enscape version 3.4 and the latest Spacemouse driver 10.8.8 work reasonably well now with a little bit of tweaking to reduce sensitivity.

I've not noticed any changes for a month now - what are you seeing that is different?

I notice that the latest 3D Connexions driver release - 10.8.8 - says that it is compatible with Revit 2023 - can't say I notice any difference.

Walk Mode still doesn't work in Enscape 3.4

For anyone else like me, who can't see the obvious...

If your Spacemouse in Enscape - or Revit - even after the latest driver updates, makes movement very 'twitchy' and is over-sensitive, just pull back the 'Speed' slider on the first page of the 3D Connexions settings menu.

It seems to me that movement in some axes is more sensitive than others

Thanks RandalRDesign,

3DConnexions' Windows 10 driver- 64 bit version 10.8.7.3448 and Enscape version 3.3.1 + 75071 (the latest release versions as far as I know) do now seem to work OK with Revit 2023 hotfix 1.

With Enscape linked to Revit 2023 the trick does seem to be to enable 'Lock Horizon' in the 3DConnexions' Enscape menu. My preference is to also reverse the direction of all the joystick directions in the same menu.

If your Revit model appears in Enscape not horizontal I find tapping the 'F' key or other hotkey on the Spacemouse will place it level.

Walk Mode in Enscape still does not work - it can be enabled in the menu bar but it immediately flips back to Fly Mode.

FWIW in Revit 2023 the Spacemouse is too sensitive by default but this can be cured by selecting an object to pivot round in Revit first and then the Spacemouse uses the same pivot. There are no pivot point choices in the Revit menu for the Spacemouse (it recognises the current application).

A big relief to have the Spacemouse usable again. I do wish software developers would stop using customers as beta-testers though

OK, thanks I will give it another try.

I've given up using Enscape for presentations - if it doesn't work with the Spacemouse I might as well use Lumion.