Posts by Trav72

    We are currently in the process of replacing some of our Revit workstations and the graphics cards that are installed as standard are:

    NVIDIA Quadro P2000, 5GB Graphics Card

    I appreciate that these are slightly older graphics cards, but are more than adequate for Revit (and as always we are on a tight budget). I would be interested in how well these cards run / cope with Enscape.

    Any feedback would be most appreciated.

    It would already be a big advantage if the placeholder just had colour.

    Completely agree with this, would make all of the place holders far more usable if they had some simple materials parameters for use within Revit.

    It comes back to the discussion I've had in the past about wanting to use the Enscape place holders to display on drawings produced directly from Revit. Low polygons are great for place holders but are generally not of a good enough quality for inclusion on drawings produced directly from Revit (plans, elevations etc.).

    The current place holders are perfect for Enscape (cars, planting etc), but are lacking Revit parameters for materials etc. to make them useful for direct output from Revit (and there is a whole other discussion about when a car is a car, or if it is a plant....).

    As a Revit user it would be ideal to be able to use the Enscape place holders directly for output from Revit, unfortunately this is not currently the case.

    We currently use the following workaround for trees that we need to appear on our Revit drawings. We have 2 linked Revit files one with RPC trees for content we need to output directly from Revit and another linked file that contains Enscape place holders. Having the 2 linked files allows for very easy control within Revit via view templates, however this is far from ideal.

    I appreciate the need to keep the Enscape content simple, but with the addition of a few additional parameters the current content would be far more useful for output from within Revit (not just Enscape).

    It would be useful to establish how the current Enscape place holders are created for use within Revit in order to see if the current Enscape Revit users can offer some assistance to the Developers.

    Hi not sure if this has bee raised before, but we have noticed that the Flower assets in Revit are all a similar colour (blue / purple).

    Would it be possible to get some different colours? Yellows, whites, pinks, reds....... or if possible set this up as a material option in the asset?

    Any progress on having presets shared in a central location, for example on our main file server? As the files are currently saved locally they do not get backed up (if they were in a central location on our main file server they would).

    This is an issue as one of our users accidentally changed some of our presets and it transpires we have no backup! If they were stored on our central file server then we would be able to easily re-instate them.

    We have also experienced this error.

    We inadvertently left the capture setting on a custom ratio (the one we use for still images). The problem seemed to sort itself when set the video capture back to one of the standard video settings and re-rendered. might be worth double checking your capture settings.

    It would be handy to have separate still and walk through settings, to avoid this.

    Sorry for the delay in responding, work has had to take priority for the last few days.

    I have been in direct contact with one of the Enscape Software Developers (a very helpful chap by the name of Christian), and sent him the family that I had been working on. Following various e-mail discussions I believe I now have a clearer understanding of how the Enscape Assets work, as follows:

    Within Revit, the Revit place holder family contains the following parameters:

    Revit Height Parameter – This is the variable that controls the height of the Revit Geometry.

    EnscapeAssetId – This is the code that the Enscape Asset will be swapped out to – This code is predetermined by Enscape and not used by Revit.

    EnscapeNativeAssetHeight – This is a height that is predetermined by Enscape and is not used by Revit.

    What Happens When Enscape is Run:

    Revit Height Parameter – Revit variable that is read by Enscape.

    EnscapeAssetId – Used by Enscape to swap out the relevant Enscape asset.

    EnscapeNativeAssetHeight – This is read by Enscape.

    When Enscape is run it uses the above information to calculate a Uniform Transformation Matrix (scale factor) which is used to scale the Enscape Asset within Enscape (width, height and depth).

    Something similar to this:

    Revit Height Parameter (RHP) / EnscapeNativeAssetHeight (ENAI) = Uniform Transformation Matrix (scale factor).

    For example:

    Revit Height Parameter (RHP) = 1200

    EnscapeNativeAssetHeight (ENAI) = 950

    1200/950 = 1.2631 Uniform Transformation Matrix (scale factor).

    (I am sure the actual formula is probably more complicated than this, this just to give a simplistic example)

    As this scale factor is applied as a Uniform Transformation Matrix for width, height and depth this may explain some of the discrepancies that have been noticed. For example if the Revit place holder geometry is proportionally different to the Enscape Asset the two would never match.

    Originally I think I was over complicating things in my Revit Family by trying to get Revit to calculate the scale factor, which was actually exaggerating the discrepancies.

    It is my understanding that Enscape are currently reviewing several options/ways to get better/more usable place holders (and a better match between the size of the Revit place holder and the Enscape asset).

    Please Note: All of the above is just my understanding / interpretation of how the process works, and apologies if I have miss interporated any of the process.

    Going forward I still feel the following items need addressing / improving upon:

    · There needs to be a better link between the Revit geometry and the Enscape geometry to ensure the size difference issues are removed (there may be a way to do this within Revit, but the exact sizes of the Enscape asset geometry would need to be know – I will keep trying).

    · The Revit place holders need to be on the correct Revit sub-categories (people are not plants).

    · The Revit place holders need a material parameter.

    · The Revit place holders should contain additional parameters to allow for scheduling / reporting etc.

    · Better Revit geometry – so the place holders can be used on drawings that are produced from within Revit.

    Apologies for the wordy response, and not exactly a definitive answer to the original question. I have suggested to Enscape that it may be benificial ask the Revit users via the Forum what functionality / parameters they would like to be include in the place holders.

    Once again Enscape is a fantastic addition / bolt on to Revit and it may be that as a Revit user I can see the wider potential of the place holders within the Revit environment.

    To be honest only used the man as an example, possibly not the best choice for the example :-) As you have pointed out its very unlikely that we would want a 3m high man :-)

    What we have noticed is that, trees / planting do not swap out to the correct height. If we change the height of the Enscape bush geometry in Revit to say 1500mm high, the bush in Enscape will still only be say 600mm high as there is no direct link to the Revit geometry size and the Enscape output.

    What we are trying to do is set a link to the Revit family that works it way through to Enscape - via the EnscapeNativeAssetHeight. This in theory is very easy to do with a simple formula within the Revit family, however we are getting odd results. As per Demian's suggestion i have sent your co-worker the simple family we have been working on via e-mail.

    You are correct that not all assets would need to have this linked parameter, but it would be very useful for certain assets (trees, bushes, planting etc. I agree that some assets should have fixed (locked) parameters.

    Thanks for the reply,

    I've set up a test project to help highlight what i'm struggling with. I've used one of your assets and duplicated it in revit and given different EnscapeNativeAssetHeights. As you can see the smaller the EnscapeNativeAssetHeight the larger the asset gets.

    What i would ideally like to be able to do is accurately set the height of the asset in Revit so this is the same height that is output in Enscape (basically the heights match).

    From what you are saying you use a scale factor, which may explain the odd behaviour (If i were to know what scale factor you use, i may be able to add a formula within revit).

    The example shown here is simply me trying to understand how the EnscapeNativeAssetHeight works, but does highlight the issue.

    Going forward what would be very handy is if the heights of certain assets (bushes / planting are good examples) can be set to a height of say 600mm in Revit so this is then the height they then appear in Enscape. If we were able to get this to work, then this would be a very good starting point for a lot of your Enscape Assets for Revit (and as a Revit user is how i would expect them to work).

    When I get chance (probably tomorrow) i will send the Revit files i have been working on to your developer to see if what i am trying to achieve is possible or not. If not then Revit users should probably be made aware that when Enscape swaps out the Assets the heights / sizes will not necessarily be the same as that shown within in Revit.

    I am sure there is a way we can get this to work.


    I am currently looking at ways we may be able to improve upon how some of the Enscape assets appear in Revit, in particular bushes.

    I am trying to set up our own Revit family so we can apply Revit materials and have our own Revit geometry, as we need bushes to look 'kind-a-like bushes' in Revit for 1:200 site section etc. The RPC bushes make Revit run very slowly in realistic views (this has always been an issue with RPC content), and are far to detailed at a scale of 1:200.

    I have managed to add the EnscapeAssetId to our Revit family so the swap out works when we run Enscape - so far so good. The bit i am struggling with is the EnscapeNativeAssetHeight.

    I am trying to link the the height of the Revit Family i.e. - Revit family height = 1000mm so that the EnscapeNativeAssetHeight can read this and set the asset height to 1000mm (which is relatively easy to do in the Revit family).

    The problem I have is that the EnscapeNativeAssetHeight doesn't seem to correlate to a real world height. For example if I set the height to 1 the asset is huge, if I set the height to 1000 its very small. As such i was wondering how the EnscapeNativeAssetHeight works?

    Any help / guidance would be appreciated.

    The ultimate goal would be to able to set the Revit family a height of say 600mm and the Enscape asset to swap out accordingly.

    If I can get it working happy to share with others.

    Thanks for the feedback, not planning on running VR from this. Looks like quite a good option as it seems a fairly versatile machine (and hp build quality is usually pretty good). will be interesting to see if anyone else is running Revit on it (or a similar spec machine).