Posts by angelo_arch

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    I was recently looking at graphics cards as finally there's availability and not huge markups (thank you crypto collapse!) and I was wondering the same thing. It doesn't seem like there's any significant upside to going to a 40 series from a 30 series RTX card. Real time navigation works the same with both cards, and the few seconds one might save on a still render is not noticeable when batch rendering. Only major advantage I can see is a larger GPU memory. For me it made a huge difference going from 8GB to 12 GB GPU RAM. I think it will only be when memory gets to be an issue that I will find a need to upgrade again. For day to day performance, I just don't see the need to upgrade. If you want faster loading, get a super fast SSD drive.

    I'm going from an RTX 2070 Super, so there will be huge performance gains! If I remember correctly, there wasn't a big jump in performance from 20XX nVidia cards to the 30XX cards. However, the increase from 30XX cards to 40XX is more significant from what I've read. Why wouldn't real-time navigation be similar to gaming performance benchmarks they always quote in the reviews?

    Re: Dell's status on 4080/4090:

    "We recently got samples from NVIDIA

    Plan to deploy the RTX 4090 out of the factory on Precision 3660 and Precision 7960 in the May/June timeframe

    The goal is for NVIDIA RTX 6000 Ada Generation to be available from the factory in Precision Towers + Rack form factors in the May/ June time frame too

    This being said, things are very fluid right now, and it is possible that these dates will be pushed back.

    In the meantime, we do have this available on the Alienware R15."

    I haven't seen any of the nVidia 40X (Ada Lovelace) cards in a regular pre-built big brand desktop yet (only a few pure gaming rigs). I did find an nVidia announcement that the laptop cards wouldn't be available until early February. Has anyone found anything from Dell, HP, etc,? Per Phil Read 's advice, the RTX 4080 will still be a big step forward, so even that card in a pre-built machine would be great.

    I've lately been more into looking at Threadripper and multi-GPU setups for Vray performance. With Enscape, I try to keep projects fairly light, but others in our firm have no hesitation about throwing in geometry/assets until something breaks. Then I try to help fix it. Point being, I haven't been overly concerned with optimizing launch times, but it's something I hope to look into more. Especially in light of what I found w/ one particularly large Rhino model as outlined in this thread.

    Based on general single core benchmarks, I would expect Escape to respond similarly with a roughly 15% increase between a 12700 and 13900, but I have no personal experience. If I were opening large projects every day I'd probably think it was worth it.

    Is there a plugin for finding the worst offenders for overly large or complex families in a Revit model? I think we have a few!

    The RTX "A" series is basically the Quadro replacement. Not sure why they dropped the branding, it just makes things more confusing. The A5000 is an older architecture than the 4090. This PassMark chart puts it in the neighborhood of a 3070. Generally the Geforce/gaming cards are going to perform better and cost less than a comparable "Quadro" for things like Enscape.

    Thanks that helps clarify things!

    There aren't a lot of benchmarks comparing the two. How does the RTX 4080/4090 compare to the RTX A5000? They both are 24GB. It's not the Quadro version of the A5000, but this is an option in the configuration for the Dell Precision 7920T, 7820, 5820 towers. Some benchmarks seem to rate the 4090 a lot higher... Thanks!

    To expand this discussion, how would the RTX 4080/4090 compare to the RTX A5000, which is also 24GB? It's not the Quadro version, but this is an option in the configuration for the Dell Precision 7920T, 7820, 5820 towers.

    I’m well aware of how popular SketchUp and Rhino are, but Formit did release an API and Lumion now has a live connection to Formit Pro. I would love to remain in Formit and be able to render vs. Inserting massing models back into Revit to use Enscape.

    Very, very excited to see what the M1 Max can do graphics-wise! Enscape would be a true test for this SOC setup compared to discreet GPUs. The only remaining question mark for me to go all Mac for our architectural workflow is VR. Really need this capability for in-house design checks and presentations to clients. Demian Gutberlet I hope you do set up a beta testing group as I'd load SketchUp or ArchiCAD just to test out Enscape performance with this chip! I guess you need to update your Mac intake form for M1 Max Macbook Pros now!

    I'm using the current top-end version with the RTX 2080 Super w/ Max Q, which has a couple more GB of gpu RAM at 8GB. It runs about the same as a mid-level gaming desktop. i.e., about the same speed/quality as an RTX 2070 Super Desktop version. 2x cards are a bit old now, so if you can swing the highest end one, I'd do it to future proof your laptop for a few years. Or wait until the 3x cards come out in this laptop and then see if the lower-end version has the same performance. Revit isn't an issue for smaller projects. If you are running large projects or workshared projects with large linked consultant models, I think this computer would probably struggle compared to a desktop or something like a high-spec Dell Precision Laptop or top-end XPS. However, this laptop is one of best if you want something you can also draw on.

    angelo_arch , be aware that you can also adjust your settings that the maximum performance will be used for any 3D application - furthermore though, usually these settings don't make too much of a difference. If you activate it the GPU will run on full power constantly instead of throttling down when less performance intense tasks are run (when looking at the Sky in Enscape as an example) at the expense of more electricity cost.

    Thanks Demian, I'd rather not just globally apply these settings as it's a laptop, so it can put a lot of strain on it and run the battery down very quickly. My detailed question is if the Enscape plugin is technically a separate program/process that I can point nVidia too. If so, I would not set Revit to always run in maximum mode, but only Enscape.

    It's possible to select apps to not throttle in nVidia's Program Settings area. I know with other real time rendering apps this can really help. Is there a way to point it to the Enscape Revit Plugin to force this max performance? Is this path to an Enscape exe that nVidia will recognize?

    Esncape, VR, AND sketching on the same portable device?! I'm there w/ this setup. Smooth Enscape Revit performance in high and even workable in ultra. Switch in a few seconds to sketching over your screen to work out a design detail. Cross check the design in VR. No roaring fans like all the gaming laptops and no plastic - it's aluminum with a special white coating. Digging a machine that really reflects my ideal workflow. Funky name, but I’ll take the performance, capabilities, and portability. Acer ConceptD 7 Ezel.

    Alright, so we'll do the following:

    For v2.8, the RPC support for Revit will stay as it is.

    We will try to improve the experience and compatibility starting with 2.9 but will take care that it won't be compatibility breaking.

    Thank you Thomas, I think this should help us with the transition. I recognize Archvision's content & software are buggy and have lagged behind the industry for years now, but they were the first in Revit, so there are some entrenched workflows that will need some time to adjust.

    Sometimes yes, but in this constellation it wasn't the case. We had numerous technical difficulties in the past with the RPC software. And when we were confronted with the decision by ArchVision if we implement the newest RPC software or have to remove the existing implementation, we decided that we want to invest the time in making the Enscape asset library better rather than supporting third party asset libraries.

    The Enscape asset library has 1950 (vs 2500 @ RPC) assets with v2.8 and we are continuously adding more with no additional cost for all of you. We will also improve certain other shortcomings like custom asset imports, variations or better looking proxies in the floor plans in the upcoming versions.


    I appreciate the big focus on expanding assets within Enscape dramatically over the last year. However, total number of assets doesn't mean anything unless they are useful for the type of project you are working on. For example, we use very specific autos and trees in custom residential work which is why the Archvision content is worth it for us. Making this a more gradual transition would help. Can you explain what happens in 2.8 with RPC content that is already in a file? I know Archvision's software has been extremely buggy, but it has been the defacto standard within Revit for a very long time, so by default our Revit template standards accommodates this workflow.

    OK Enscape let’s hear your side of the story on the @ArchVision SDK. You have a decent start on assets, but it’s no where close to what Archvision has. RPC content plays nice with our documentation while your assets look beautiful in rendered images only and have to literally be turned off everywhere else. Can you work it out? Why didn’t you renew the SDK with them? You’ve got plenty of exposure and customers, why not just pay for it? Is the price unrealistic? Dropping support for this BEFORE you have a viable replacement isn’t a good move for your customers.