Posts by Grizzler

    Hi Grizzler - Just to make very sure as our EULA shouldn't be literally 91 pages, you do refer to our 18 page file here? Summed up it's about 16 pages which is a lot still, but it's also entirely common that EULAs / terms of conditions are lengthy as they cover vital important legal information. Otherwise I reckon you may refer to the EULA you'll have to agree to when running our installer (which does seem longer as the window is smaller)?

    If I was to sum up the document then I'd also potentially run into the risk of excluding information I'm afraid so we rather not do that, as most of the EULA will also indirectly be tied to your fixed seat subscription in general. Should there be a more specific question about any of the subjects inside of the EULA / (terms of conditions you agreed to), let me know though!

    Don't get me wrong, I understand that it's not really fun to read through any EULA of whichever software generally (and they can get even longer than ours) and if we would be able to drastically shorten the whole thing without getting into legal problems, we would've done it of course already. In that regard I hope you find the time to still read through it once at least.

    Correction, 90 pages ?

    Much like Sketchup, I think Enscape is a bit of a victim of its own success by virtue of its ease of use. As others have said, it is a design tool. It has allowed our typical Revit/Rhino/Sketchup users to easily generate their own renderings that fulfill 90% of their needs for communicating design intent. It isn't a ProViz tool, but people have managed to push it to nearly the level.

    I certainly have a list of items w/Enscape that have gone unaddressed for years, but render quality is not generally a concern, If I need the highest quality I will use a different tool. If your competitors are using superior software that costs less, why are you sticking around?

    I think for the same reason most users do, because of the things it does that others don't, mainly in terms of integration with design software and efficiency of time.

    I appreciate you responding Demian. I'm sure you can understand our concerns when we rely on your software for our livelihoods, so if it was to suddenly change and get absorbed into v-ray Vantage for example, then we would all have to take a financial hit because of the length of time to learn something new along with the fact that it's not as fast as enscape. I don't mind admitting that I'm nervous about what the future holds, mainly as the industry I'm in is predicting a terrible year ahead so I need to be as efficient as possible.

    Still no reassurance from Enscape yet, couple that with the fact that all the big Archviz youtubers stopped doing enscape videos months ago and it's making me very suspicious that something negative might be going on behind the scenes ?. I would love Demian Gutberlet or someone else to give us a clear idea of what the future holds for Enscape ... please?

    One more thing that expands upon what a few have said in terms of consolidating the workflow into one place such as sketchup, it would also be very helpful to have at least a rudimentary post processing option. A workflow of CAD software > render engine > post processor just isn't efficient - I used to use SU Podium prior to enscape and even that had a great little post processor built in, so surely the almightly Chaos Group can provide us with one fairly easily.

    I also see it becoming a stand-alone application so it's not limited by being a SU plugin. Hopefully they are more like D5, in that you add light objects within the SketchUp model and then the external D5 app renders them appropriately vs a data link refresh. This is much better for my use than in TwinMotion where you need to replace objects all over the place as you add them in. Basically, you can still add a light object within a component and just be on your way vs placing them one by one. Landscape/brush tools would also be a huge benefit.

    I'm not sure about it becoming a standalone, mainly due to the fanare that accompanied v-ray getting integrated into SU in April 2021, so Enscape separating would be a huge backwards step which would definitely make me leave more than anything else. The only thing enscape is best as is speed and ease, so if that goes then what's the point?

    Demian Gutberlet I would appreciate it if our concerns were passed on to whoever makes decisions at Chaos, it seems I'm not alone and you could be facing a customer exodus in 2023 unless you address those concerns very soon. Enscape has clearly got a lot of brand loyalty which is why we're reluctant to leave, but when it comes to our livelihoods then that takes priority.

    The inclusion of TwinMotion for Revit with the AEC Collection adds a significant twist to the plot. The Unreal Engine handles bigger files and provides better quality than what Enscape is (currently) capable of achieving. It also has many features that Enscape doesn't have such as terrain editing, weathering, better vegetation distribution, animated and posable assets, among others.

    While Enscape is my primary choice because of extreme ease of use, it is lacking in some of these desired features. I've played briefly with the V-ray beta and there is a pretty hefty learning curve. I'm also guessing there are additional licenses and costs involved that haven't really been mentioned.

    The Revit news had bypassed me so I'm not sure of the significance to me personally as a sketchup user. UE would be overkill for my projects as I just need quick but reasonable approximations to present landscape concepts, that's why Enscape has been my preferred renderer for the last 4 years - it's looking like TM will be my next move unless there's an announcement before my licence renewal that gives me hope.

    I don't know how I've managed to miss this until now, but as well as V-ray and V-ray Vision, you've also got V-ray Vantage - where on Earth is Enscape going to sit amongst these other options?

    This is possibly the primary thing that will prevent me from moving to another render software at renewal time, I'm hoping v-ray's vegetation asset library is comparable to others (Lumion being the best I know of). Furthermore the library models in v-ray must become compatible with Enscape at some point, otherwise if the sharing only works from Enscape to V-ray and not vice-versa, then Enscape suddenly becomes irrelevant so I'm crossing my fingers in that regard.

    The feeling I'm getting based on the drip fed information and the careful omission of other info, is that V-ray + Enscape will be like Michael Jackson and the rest of the Jackson 5. I'm really not getting a good vibe from the recent "compatibility with V-Ray!" email, it's pretty clear where Chaos' priorities lie, they will probably cherry pick the best attributes and then Enscape will be gone ?.

    Let's ask Demian Gutberlet 8)

    This is exactly the kind of thing that worries me, zero response. As much as like Enscape it is giving me bad vibes about how it values its customers and whether they're even going to attempt to stay relevant. My staying or going depends on receiving a reasonable response from them - I don't expect them to leak any corporate secrets, just some kind of reassurance would be great.

    Anyone who has been in a relationship where the partner withdraws from them and barely speaks recognises when things are coming to an end, I'm getting that feeling now. Don't leave me Enscape, I love you, just think of all the good times we've had together, we can both change! ^^